If meat destruction is a concern then by all means go to a .22 short. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America. More often in some brands. No matter what you can do, he can do it better. and i don’t even know how much 22 mag ammo i have? I dont have anything bigger than a .22 mag in the terms of rifles because you can't use a centerfire on anything in ohio besides varmints, so we never got one. This allows you to choose the round size that is right for your specific need whether it is plinking to work on your aim or getting a larger size to take on your hunt. It … I’ve given it up since the shortage. Admittedly, 10-percent ordnance gelatin, as often as it is used and referenced, is not the same as a bad guy. What we want to explore here is how effective a .22 Magnum handgun might be at triggering these three outcomes. However, shooting a large animal at such a great distance may not be effective enough to get you the kill, but it will surely injure the animal bad enough to slow It down. One of those is the venerable .22 Magnum. I can recurve hunt for deer and use my micro .22 Mag for hogs that pass out of bow range, or for taking small game on the hunt. I own a 22 mag. The .22 Magnum is simply not the weakling you might think. But, again, does that make it an appropriate choice for a self-defense caliber? The “.22 Mag,” as it’s less colloquially coined, delivers external and terminal ballistics sufficient to rid the pasture, woodlot and garden of marauding varmints, pests and predators out to 150 yards. Instant involuntary incapacitation with any handgun is rare and, with a .22 Magnum damaging four times less tissue and hitting with about a quarter of the energy of a 9 mm or .45 ACP, I think it’s logical to assume involuntary incapacitation with a .22 Magnum cartridge is four times less likely to happen.But what if you can’t be concerned with such numbers? Nevertheless, Winchester soon manufactured the Model 61 to handle their new proprietary ammo, followed by models from Ruger, Savage Arms, and Smith & Wesson. Something like that. I can see why Bill Jordan liked the idea and called it a “wicked little cartridge.” If you are going to carry the .22 magnum, I would stay away from the KelTec semi auto PM-30. CCI Maxi-Mag worked fairly well. Marlin and a 25-20 Marlin. It sucked for accuracy. I once shot a squirrel back when I was about nineteen years old with a .25-20 rifle. Instant kill. Expansion is important because if you have two holes that are the same depth, the hole that has the largest diameter will also be the one that is likely to do the most tissue damage. Plus the price to shoot them and buy one right now is out of the question because both me and my sister are in college and my other three siblings are in school so we can't afford one. Tactically a 3 tap from a 22 is a kill. The comment made above about the .22 mag being fired out of a Ruger 10/22, got me a little stumped. Ill take a .22Mag over a 5.7 for many reasons. A .357 Magnum is formidable as hell, but that doesn’t mean anything when you can’t hit a charging bear. 4 years ago. That said It is a gun that I cannot remember when I fired it last. This method keeps my 22 practice @200 rounds for $4 … I’ll stack the .22 mag up against the 7.62×39 for primer failures anytime. Winchester began marketing the rimfire cartridge back in the 1960’s, though Marlin had the first rifle capable of chambering the new round. Even though the CCI TNT load expanded well in every test, the muzzle flash from it and the other loads was like a fireball. This makes the.22 WMR an effective short to medium range varmint rifle and hunting rifle cartridge. In the last sixty years, dozens of new rounds have been introduced that are much faster, but also much more destructive than the .22 Magnum. 4 years ago. I own an on the farm slaughter business and my go to rifle is a Ruger 77/22 chambered in.22 Mag. Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. I’m shocked to see that bad a group out of a rifle. full metal jacket or common hollow point, which should penetrate slightly deeper.Here’s another consideration. I’ll stack the .22 mag up against the 7.62×39 for primer failures anytime. [citation needed] The relatively quiet report and negligible recoil also make it a very pleasant target and plinking round to shoot for extended periods. The Hornady, Speer and Winchester loads utilize flash-retarding propellants. I own three .22 LR. And yet, out of the tens (possibly hundreds) of thousands of rounds that I have fired over an entire career in the Marines and coupled with my recreational shooting, the only primers that I have had fail are rimfires. “A .22 will kill you further than you can shoot it accurately” Posted at 3:31 pm on October 25, 2013 by Bob Owens. … BIGR, Apr 5, 2007 #23. Law-enforcement personnel will tell you that they point guns at bad guys much more often than they shoot them. I have a Ruger Super Single Six with the 22 Mag and 22 LR clyinders and is stainless. For a self defense round, that lack of reliability is a game ender. After my first hog hunt, I bought a Redhawk 44 to wear as my "woods walking" gun. “David reminds us of older, slower, rounds like the venerable .22 Magnum still have a place on our gun rack.”. In fact, Winchester initially loaded their 22 Magnum cartridges with 40 grains to achieve … So why would someone want a .22 Magnum when you could instead choose something like a .223 or a round reasonably similar? As far as the shock required to make a person stop, that depends on how the person reacts, which can’t be anticipated. Though it may be adequate as a small game round, how can you advocate it as a self defense round with a clear conscience. I’d go a little heavier — my .357 Magnum is the likely choice for me — and practice, practice, practice. Still, as a deterrent, it’s probably as effective as anything else. Due to the 22 long rifle (LR) being such a cheap and quiet round, I have always wondered if I can kill a hog with it. That is the common trend among everyone I gave ever talked to about ammo and every article that I have read. Often overlooked and misunderstood, the .22 WMR is a serious 125-yard stopper for 2- to 20-pound critters and even larger game and varmints when a head shot is possible..22 WMR Vs. .17 HMR. What if a .22 Magnum is the most powerful handgun you can shoot effectively? It has been a great round.Ive used it to kill about every animal there is in TX.It got ha4d to find ammo while Obama was in office.I could shoot my 223 cheaper than my 22 mag. From a numbers standpoint, the velocity and penetration of the .22 Magnum, when compared to a 9 mm or a .45, is not all that different.The difference in the terminal performance of a .22 Magnum when compared to a 9 mm or a .45 is mostly in expansion and energy. All were 1 shot kills and all were shot with the same ammo Winchester 40 gr. It hits well with 30 grain Hornady V-Max. Relevance. And with a .22 mag rifle, scope added, you can almost drive tacks with it. Many hunters predicted it would be the death of the .22 WMR. The .22 Magnum may be the sweet optimum shooting little caliber for this purpose. Accutip; CCI 40-gr. The rifles in .22 Magnum seem to be most sensitive when it comes to which ammunition and which it will shoot accurately. Truck loads of big deer were taken by local poachers, but now they have no trucks and no licenses, head shots and vital shots equate to dead. 22 WMR. Shot placement. Another reason to pick a .22 Magnum is the cost of the ammunition. On the other hand, the 30-gr. What if a .22 Magnum is all you have? It is a rimfire round. This voluntary surrender is the most common and effective way handguns stop crime, whether in the hands of police officers or citizens. Originally designed for short-range encounters with large mammals, and, despite the shorter barrel length, can get the job done and place accurate shots in practiced hands. The goal is to make the bad guy stop doing bad things. When fired from a gun with a 1" barrel, both the Hornady Critical Defense (bottom) and Speer Gold Dot .22 WMR loads showed only minimal expansion and penetrated to identical depths in 10-percent ordnance gelatin. by Richard Mann - Hell, I can’t even call them “groups”. If a bullet doesn’t penetrate enough to reach the good stuff – central nervous system, heart, major blood vessels – it won’t get the job done, which is at least stopping the bad guy, if not actually killing him in… Read more ». 1 0. I’ve never had one do that to me (kept them clean), but you can easily see the start of the build-up if you shoot a couple of hundred rounds in one session. Gold Dot and CCI 30-gr. Interestingly, if we average the penetration of the .22 Magnum loads tested from handguns with barrels ranging from 1" to 4.5", we find they penetrated to just over 12". For those who want to carry the smallest handgun possible, the North American Arms Mini Revolvers, which weigh less than 6 ozs. When fired from a rifle, some .22 WMR loads—like this one from CCI—can be quite explosive on impact. Them greasy lead hollow points? I have a Savage 93 in a left handed wood stock. One is by causing enough pain that the bad guy submits or voluntarily decides further violent action is a bad idea. can a 22 magnum kill a human? The second is the Henry pump which is aslo a great gun and last but not least is my Chiappa .22 Mag/.410 over under. As amazing as it may seem to kill a bear w/ .22, there is a story about an old indian gentleman that went on a buffalo hunt armed with a .22 rifle. I will admitt it is a little light on the larger bulls, but with proper shot placement it is very effective. While that doesn’t sound like a lot, it’s more than the .380, the .38 Special and is knocking on the door of the 9mm. In many ways, it does surpass the .22 WMR, but in one important area, especially to hunters, … Even a 22 short can do it like nothing. HP; Hornady 45-gr. A compact and light handgun like Ruger’s 16-ounce LCRx is a perfect example of a carry-size .22 Magnum revolver. * It can, and is used to shoot Groundhog, Raccoon, Opossum, Squirrel, Rabbit, Fox, Coyote, and Skunk at much longer ranges than a 22 … That time might be passed but .22 Magnum ammunition can find a new life as a survival rifle and if need be for personal defense, something that few other rounds can do and do well. 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Both are great for plunking. If you can take the eye out of a fly at 50 yards with a .22 mag round but can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a .44 mag then pick the .22 mag because you are dead with the .44 mag. The state now allows multiple weapons on public land deer hunts. i read about it and it has more stopping power so will see what happens? I like the 22 mag. The .22 WMR ammo still did what it was meant to do: drop small game and pests. Of course, under ideal conditions — like those the cull hunters try to create or when animals are smaller-bodied — almost any round, including the .22 rimfires, can deliver a killing shot. The average frontal diameter of recovered.22 Magnum bullets is about 0.27 inches. One persistent and long-standing rumor about the .22 Magnum is that it is not very accurate compared to other rimfire rounds like the .22 Long Rifle and the .17 HMR and that has some truth to it. As you become more experienced you’ll have the opportunity to further evaluate the situation and trade-up as your comfort and skill levels increase. P. I’m not sure the blade would ever completely fail to move, but I _am_ sure it could be slowed down enough for a light strike… Read more », I own three 22 Mag’s #1 is the 7 shot Smith and Wesson revolver. At some point (sooner rather than later) you are going to encounter primers that do not ignite on the first try. Pigs are tough and omnivorous. I think I shot maybe two boxes in the last 5 years? I know many believe that it has to be within the 243, 22-250, 223, and 222 range. The price of .22 WMR cartridges also is much easier on the wallet. To really get down to the nitty-gritty of this comparison, let’s briefly take a look at each of these rimfire cartridges’ history. I’m glad to see the PD rounds pop up, but for me the Hornady V-Max was my Volquartzen rifle’s ‘go to’ round as it gave me half inch groups @100. .357 magnum? Most … 0 0. Your argument on primers is not worth the post because ANY primer can fail. The caliber choices in .22 S/L/LR and .22 Magnum lets you take the trail that works best for you, whether it’s the humble shoot-all-day-long .22 Long Rifle or the energy-boosting .22 Magnum. It makes an adequate crow rifle at longer range and will drop a coyote on the farm with proper shot placement. The Crickett was slightly better, but just with a pretty broad group opening up. This article appeared originally as "The .22 Magnum for Self-Defense?" I know some rates of twist work better with heavier bullets (as in 5.56… Read more ». At least that’s what the fish and wildlife people wandering around in the woods behind my house are carrying. Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program. You go on and on about shot placement, though I never mentioned it, then a single sentence that says that my argument fails because….reasons? From a .45 ACP, the average muzzle velocity is almost 1,000 fps. The.22 WMR can effectively kill small game such as rabbits, hares, groundhogs, prairie dogs, foxes, raccoons, and coyotes. The .22 Magnum is drastically handicapped by power and energy—energy that’s needed to push through clothing, ribs and muscle. Five cents per 9mms round? @Courson – haven’t shot much 7.62×39 have you. To me at least, 22WMR isn’t too expensive to shoot anymore but it definitely was there for awhile. What Animals Can You Hunt With A .22 Caliber Rifle Sine the .22 caliber rifle isn’t as powerful as larger hunting rifles, it can only be used for hunting game animals. One was a Henry lever action with a 20 ½ “ octagon barrel that holds twelve rounds and has an MSRP of $550. Yea with the proper shot. Were the “newer” guns modified differently at the time of manufacture? Developed by in 1959 by Winchester, for their Model 61 pump rifle, the .22 Winchester Magnum, also called .22 WMR or Winchester Magnum Rimfire was a rimfire round that was designed for small game. I was once given a whitetail deer that had been struck by a car only enough to break its leg and had to be dispatched by a sheriff’s deputy with his .223 carbine. The shot placement was meant wake you up that a slingshot can kill is the shot is in the right place. The .22 mag has essentially no recoil, but has similar performance as compared to its .38 cousin. It is simply a ballistic test medium which is thought to offer the same resistance to a bullet as would muscle tissue. but it’s a lot lol. Anything from the muzzle to 100 yards was DOA. Interestingly, many .22 Magnum loads are made for use in rifles, and the longer barrels result in substantially more velocity than if the same loads were shot through handguns. Unlike hunters, those who use a handgun to thwart violence don’t primarily intend to kill. Answer #25 | 26/09 2016 20:13 Any caliber can kill. Even then, it was only… Read more », BTW, failures to fire can often be traced to the firearm being used. A .22 LR or .22 Magnum is not capable of sufficient musculoskeletal trauma, so that’s a non-starter. Body armor and in my apt? The best .22 Magnum loadings will damage less than 1 cubic inch of tissue. With the .22 Magnum, velocity is just as, if not more, important because of its relatively small bullet. I can load my 9mm for five cents a round and have many thousands of those rounds and the ability to load many thousands more. Not horrible, but not great, either. The 22 magnum is legal to use for whitetail here in Maine and I've shot quite a few deer with mine. A .22 has had some documented kills. Handguns stop a threat in three ways. The firing “pin” (blade, actually) in a Ruger 10/22 can get jammed up with carbon and unburned powder if the gun isn’t cleaned at least every once in a while. Can You Kill A Deer With A 22 Long Rifle And Cheap 22 Magnum Bolt Action Rifle Fo The Ruger 10/22 was offered in a magnum (10/22M) version but has not been produced in a while. Game you can take with .22 Magnum includes anything you can take with the .22 LR, although at longer range. Take your own advice… Read more ». Anonymous. I also have 5000 rounds of 22 Mag ammo and four times that in 22LR. Lv 6. For some, a gun chambered in .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR), also known as .22 Magnum, might be the best place to start. The reason I say this is because it is true that a 223 can kill a coyote out to 300 yards well you will need to know the trajectory of the particular bullet at 100, 200 and 300 yards to be accurate. With substantially more power than a .22 LR it’s like a rich man’s .22. Averaging all the .22 Magnum loads tested in all the different handgun barrel lengths, we find the muzzle velocity to be about 1,050 fps. Of course, fear and even pain will most likely have little influence on someone high on meth, crack or even adrenaline. Best little rifle I own, and not for sale. Where the .22 Magnum appears to fall short is in its ability to bring about instant involuntary incapacitation. If shot placement is important, and you can shoot with a modicum of skill (if you can't shoot with a modicum of skill, it really doesn't matter overmuch what you're shooting anyway), the .22 mag can put it … As the FBI learned in Miami many years ago, penetration is the name of the game. is more effective at stopping bad guys than .38 Spl. The more common term for these cartridges among enthusiasts is the Flobert. What Animals Can You Hunt With A .22 Caliber Rifle. One of the reasons to have a survival round is that you want to be able to shoot game with it and that includes small-game, and while you might get some bloodshot meat on a squirrel or a rabbit with the .22 Magnum, that cannot compare to the damage of a higher velocity .223. To answer this question, we need to keep things in perspective. It’s also affordable, readily available and relatively easy to shoot.The .22 Magnum is just one of many cartridges that comes in handguns sized for personal protection or concealed carry. Probably not. I decided to take a pair of .22 Magnum rifles to the range, and they couldn’t be more different from one another. Reply. The results can be found in the accompanying table, but before you try to digest all those numbers, let’s consider what these tests actually tell us. I’ve recently seen 100rd boxes of MiniMags go for more than that. You must be loading blanks with reused casings. That’s at least as good as what I was paying for the same thing five or six years ago. @Courson – A wise man once told me there are three thing to defensive shooting: Shot placement It does, however, hold two more rounds. Back in the early 50’s I purchased a New Marlin 22 Mag with a scope for, believe it or not $37.00. Unlike the relationship between the .38 Special and the original Magnum handgun round—the .357 Magnum—the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) is not simply a stretched version of the earlier .22 LR cartridge. FMJ; CCI 40-gr. 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